Moderador/a: Mario
Traductor/a: Dani
Secretario/a: Julia
Número de personas presentes: + - 40
Descripción de los puntos principales:
1. PROTESTA DEL SÁBADO
Se decidió cambiar la hora debido al partido de la final de la Champion. Por lo que, se aceptó que el lugar fuera la Plaza Dam , y la hora, las 15 horas. A esa hora se iniciará la manifestación, que durará hasta las 17h. En ese momento será cuando comience la asamblea con todas las personas presentes de Ámsterdam y de otras ciudades.
2. DUTCH REVOLUTION
Este punto no dio tiempo a hablarlo, por lo que queda pendiente para la siguiente asamblea.
3. FLYER
No se habló del contenido, pero sí se repartieron flyers pequeños (tamaño A6).
Otros asuntos que se hablaron:
1. Continúa el problema de usar o no usar el nombre de Democracia Real Ya (DRY). Como transmitieron hace días unas compañeras, ha sido la plataforma DRY la que ha pedido que no se ushe dicho nombre para las acciones que se hagan y opiniones que se den.
En este sentido, hay algún compañero/a que está a favor de que se siga usando.
2. Como la gente presente en la asamblea cada día va cambiando, se hará un breve repaso de los signos acordados para intervenir y tomar decisiones en la asamblea, si hay alguien que no los conoce.
3. Surgió de nuevo el debate de: Para quién estamos luchando: por la spanishrevolution, o por la worldrevolution, ya que hay personas de otros países?
En este sentido hay un grupo que da prioridad al problema de España “para crear precedentes”.
Otras personas creen que habría que coordinarse para apoyar el movimiento de otras partes.
Una persona propuso crear comisión específica para el tema holandés y centrarnos en España para no perder el origen del movimiento.
4. Una compañera de otra ciudad contó que las personas que se están organizando desde fuera de Amsterdam no se sienten representadas en las asambleas y en las decisiones tomadas porque no está toda la información en internet. Hay que me mejorar en este sentido porque anuncia que puede llevar a la desilusión con el movimiento.
5. Se necesita gente traduciendo.
6. mejorar métodos de moderación,
7. Propuestas no votadas: no hacer asamblea todos los días y centrar las decisiones más importantes para fechas consensuadas con tiempo de antemano.
COMISIÓN DE ACCIÓN
Una compañera de dicho grupo de trabajo compartió tres acciones que han pensado para llevar a cabo estos días, NO SÓLO el sábado.
1. Ponerse CELO / ESPARADRAPO en la boca para reflejar la represión del sistema e ir quitándonoslo paulatinamente y decir una palabra reivindicativa o positiva.
2. MARIONETA HUMANA: La persona que mueve los hilos representa al sistema (político/banquero…) y la de abajo al trabajador de a pie.
3. Continuar con el símbolo de los GLOBOS BLANCOS. Escribir o dibujar algo positivo y repartirlos con el flyer corto.
HOY, JUEVES:
Se llevarán a la Dam unos carteles con el mensaje “No somos mercancías en manos de bancos y políticos” escrito en tres idiomas. Se tendrán que hacer fotocopias.
APUNTES / DESCRIPCIÓN (SUBJETIVA)
Bajo mi punto de vista (Julia hablando), fue una asamblea tensa y poco tolerante. Había varios problemas graves, (ya que si evolucionaban podrían concluir con la fragmentación del colectivo que se ha creado). A pesar de insistir en que se expresaran las opiniones de cada persona para llegar a un acuerdo y sanar la situación, hubo gente que no expuso sus pensamientos.
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MINUTES 25TH MAY 2011
Moderator: Mario
Translator: Dani
Secretary: Julia
Number of people: +-40
Description of main subjects:
1. SATURDAY’S PROTEST
We decided to change the time due to the Champions Final. Therefore, we accepted that the place was Dam square and the time 15:00. At that time the demonstration will begin, that will last until 17:00. At 17:00 will start the assembly with those present from Amsterdam and other cities.
2. DUTCH REVOLUTION
We did not have time to discuss this, so we will discuss it in another assembly
3. FLYER
We did not talk about the content, but small flyers (A6) were given away
Other subjects discussed:
1. The problem about using or not the name Democracia Real Ya (DRY) remains. As some comrades told us some days ago, the team from DRY has asked us not to use the name for actions and opinions.
Yet some comrades are for using it.
2. Since those present in each assembly are not always the same, a brief summary of the agreed upon signs to participate and take decisions in the assembly will be done, in case there is somebody who does not know them.
3. The debate about who we are fighting for came up again: for the Spanish revolution or for the World revolution? (Since there are people from other countries)
There is a Group of people for which the Spanish problem is a priority “to create precedents”.
Other people think that we should coordinate to support the movement in other places.
One person proposed creating a specific commission for the Dutch situation and focus on Spain not to lose the origin of the movement.
2. Since those present in each assembly are not always the same, a brief summary of the agreed upon signs to participate and take decisions in the assembly will be done, in case there is somebody who does not know them.
3. The debate about who we are fighting for came up again: for the Spanish revolution or for the World revolution? (Since there are people from other countries)
There is a Group of people for which the Spanish problem is a priority “to create precedents”.
Other people think that we should coordinate to support the movement in other places.
One person proposed creating a specific commission for the Dutch situation and focus on Spain not to lose the origin of the movement.
4. A comrade from another city told us that the people there who are organizing themselves outsider Amsterdam do not feel represented in the assemblies and in the decisions taken because not all the information is on the internet. We have to improve in this sense because she tells it can lead to disappointment with the movement.
5. Translators are needed.
6. We need to improve moderating methods
7. Not voted proposals: not having assembly everyday but agree upon specific dates to discuss the most important decisions.
ACTION COMMISSION
A comrade from this working Group shared three actions they have thought about for the coming days, NOT ONLY for Saturday.
5. Translators are needed.
6. We need to improve moderating methods
7. Not voted proposals: not having assembly everyday but agree upon specific dates to discuss the most important decisions.
ACTION COMMISSION
A comrade from this working Group shared three actions they have thought about for the coming days, NOT ONLY for Saturday.
1. Put TAPE/PLASTER on our mouth to show the repression from the system and remove it gradually and say a protest or positive word.
2. HUMAN PUPPET: The person moving the strings represents the (political/bank) system and the one being moved represents the worker.
3. Going on with the WHITE BALLOONS. Write or draw something positive on them and give them away with the short foyer.
2. HUMAN PUPPET: The person moving the strings represents the (political/bank) system and the one being moved represents the worker.
3. Going on with the WHITE BALLOONS. Write or draw something positive on them and give them away with the short foyer.
TODAY, THURSDAY:
We will bring to Dam posters with the message: “We are not goods on the hands of Banks and politicians” written in three languages. We will have to make photocopies.
NOTES/ SUBJECTIVE DESCRIPTION
From my point of view (Julia speaking), it was a tense and little tolerant assembly. There were several serious problems (since in case of going further they could provoke the fragmentation of the Group created). Despite insisting on people expressing their opinion in order to reach an agreement and heal the situation, there were people who did not express their thoughts.
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